skzbrust ([info]skzbrust) wrote,
@ 2007-03-20 23:57:00
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How many philosophers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A preposterous question. Obviously, it depends on what sort of philosopher we're discussing. I'm sure this has been done before, but here are my answers:

Pragmatist: Hey, if holding the bulb while four of your friends turn the chair works for you, then that is the right way to change a lightbulb for you.

Empiricist: We can't know how to change a lightbulb, but we can make lists of how big it is, the wattage, the thickness of the glass, the composition of the filiment...

Thomist: When we examine the concept of "lightbulb" one requirement is that it light up. Hence, if it does not light up, it is not a lightbulb. If it is not a lightbulb, there is no reason to change it.

Aristotelean: Changing of lightbulbs can be divided into: manipulation of the old bulb, and manipulation of the new bulb. Bulb manipulation, in turn, can be divided into: Turning motion, raising motion, dropping motion. We cannot understand motion.

Kantian: By understanding the lightbulb-in-itself, it becomes, for us, a new lightbulb.

Platonist: The closer our lightbulb gets to the Ideal Lightbulb, the less it requires changing.

Dialectical Materialist: None. The lightbulb changes because of it's own internal contradictions.

Skeptic: We can't know if we're changing the lightbulb. We can't know if changing the lightbulb is an improvement. In fact, we can't really know if it's dark. Especially with the lights out.

Hegelian: When the lightbulb becomes irrational, it ceases to exist. Insofar as a new lightbulb sheds light on the Absolute Idea, it becomes a rational lightbulb, and comes into being as part of our striving for the rational.

Post-structuralist: By rejecting neo-Enlightment notions that privilege "light," we can conceptualize the relationship between optically-oriented envisioning and those signifiers that address interpretations of post-colonial modernism as an established text within the framework of which, intertextually, we are lead to reject any causal relationship between the operands and the motivators.

Memetics: The speed at which the notion ("a burned out lightbulb should be replaced") has spread is inexplicable unless one looks at the idea itself.

Existentialist: Why change the lightbulb?



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[info]illidanstr
2007-03-21 08:31 am UTC (link)
Brust Fan: "If I could change his lightbulbs, I bet he could write at least seven minutes extra *every year*..."

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[info]andjay
2007-03-21 09:08 am UTC (link)
bahahas at "skeptic"

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[info]ketala
2007-03-21 11:43 am UTC (link)
So which philosophy of lightbulb "changing" do you subscribe to? -Is now intensely curious-

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[info]skzbrust
2007-03-21 12:49 pm UTC (link)
I work at being a dialectical materialist. This is one reason so many of the lightbulbs in my house still need changing.

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(no subject) - [info]ketala, 2007-03-21 01:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]illidanstr, 2007-03-21 10:13 pm UTC

[info]cakmpls
2007-03-21 12:17 pm UTC (link)
Brilliant (which means your lightbulb is fully functional). I particularly like (for some values of "like") "Post-structuralist" and "Thomist"--I have copyedited entire books that were written like the latter.

(Sorry about deleting the earlier incomplete version--my own lightbulb is not so bright in the early a.m.)

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[info]skzbrust
2007-03-21 12:54 pm UTC (link)
Jesus. I mean, is there any editing to be done that doesn't involve, just, deleting it all and rewriting it in English?

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(no subject) - [info]cakmpls, 2007-03-21 04:08 pm UTC

[info]theweaselking
2007-03-21 01:39 pm UTC (link)
I have this strange vision that a "Thomist" novel in this sense would be very much along the lines of "It was plant. It would be watered" for three hundred pages.

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(no subject) - [info]ckd, 2007-03-21 03:07 pm UTC
Hah! Great minds run in the same gutters... - [info]gomeza, 2007-03-21 05:38 pm UTC
Re: Hah! Great minds run in the same gutters... - [info]skzbrust, 2007-03-21 11:07 pm UTC
Re: Hah! Great minds run in the same gutters... - [info]gomeza, 2007-03-22 01:58 pm UTC

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[info]rocza
2007-03-21 01:26 pm UTC (link)
Hmm. I feel that the list is missing something.


Clinical ethicist: It is a violation of the lightbulb's autonomy to change it without its explicit informed consent. In the absence of the lightbulb's advanced directive, we must act in the manner we think the lightbulb most likely to act in if it had full ability to consent to care.

Bioethicist: The changing of the lightbulb comes at the intersection of multiple fields of study, and we must research what ethical, legal and social issues are encountered and how they are handled by society before we act.


...given that I've a talk to give tomorrow on euthanasia, I was tempted to tie the two together. But it might be better if I actually just went to work and finished my research for that talk.

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[info]birdhousefrog
2007-03-21 01:27 pm UTC (link)
Several of these had me laughing and groaning remembering my college days back in the days before lightbulbs. So many philosophers, so many different ways to view the universe.

Oz

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[info]howardbrazee
2007-03-21 01:34 pm UTC (link)
I suppose we could expand this from philosophy to art (dadaism), or sports (Lombardiism).

But in this group, we could name some F&SF books or schools and then figure out how someone changes a light bulb in _Snow Crash_ or _The Hobbit_ or _Tiger! Tiger!_ or _Lord of Light_ ...

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[info]sairisse
2007-03-21 01:55 pm UTC (link)
In The Hobbit, to change a lightbulb one must first sing the traditional Lightbulb-changing Song of the elves, then change the bulb, and then sit down to a large meal. Or set a dwarf on fire.

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(no subject) - [info]ketala, 2007-03-21 05:29 pm UTC

[info]eshivak
2007-03-21 02:31 pm UTC (link)
Luddite: Lightbulb! Blasphemy! Give me a torch any day!

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[info]hatfield13
2007-03-21 04:14 pm UTC (link)
How many kids with ADD does it...hey, are those Leggos?

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[info]fgherman
2007-03-21 08:27 pm UTC (link)
LOL!

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[info]rathgar
2007-03-21 04:32 pm UTC (link)
The Platonist answer seems most correct to me, unless the Existentialist is just beginning a discussion which will arrive somewhere pleasing. What sort of philospher am I if my answer is one?

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[info]skzbrust
2007-03-21 11:03 pm UTC (link)
A mechanical materialist. Most of us function as if we were mechanical materialists in our day to day life. The thoroughgoing idealist who believes everything is a reflection of the mind of God still uses his hand to open a door, rather than wait for some mystical power to do it. The dialectical materialist who understands that everything is in motion and always changing still assumes his pencil is going to remain a pencil while he's writing with it.

Mechanical materialists only have trouble when they try to understand science; ie, how things really work.

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(no subject) - [info]schmwarf, 2007-03-21 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]skzbrust, 2007-03-22 12:28 am UTC
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[info]dsgood
2007-03-21 06:40 pm UTC (link)
"Dialectical Materialist: None. The lightbulb changes because of it's own internal contradictions."

Alternative I've seen: None. The lightbulb contains the seed of its own revolution.

And one I recall seeing in the Wall Street Journal's letter column: How many Libertarians does it take to change a lightbulb? None. The Invisible Hand will take care of it.

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[info]cpxbrex
2007-03-21 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Memetics must be all fancy and important! It's gotten added to this joke list! Congrats, memetics, for getting big enough to make fun of! :)

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[info]haaid
2007-03-21 07:27 pm UTC (link)
well on behalf of the board of the journal of memetics (www.jom-emit.org) thank you. I was kind of surprised to see memetics as a "philosophy" and thought it had lost its popularity among the world of scientists and more serious people due to the misuse of memes by many... once again, surprised by skzb... nothing wrong with that :)

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(no subject) - [info]rocza, 2007-03-26 01:54 am UTC

[info]talesya
2007-03-21 08:42 pm UTC (link)
When things get that complicated, I'd rather just reword the question:

How many philosophers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Two, but they have to be teeny-weeny.

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[info]alierajean
2007-03-21 09:31 pm UTC (link)
Thomist: When we examine the concept of "lightbulb" one requirement is that it light up. Hence, if it does not light up, it is not a lightbulb. If it is not a lightbulb, there is no reason to change it.

Hee! I'm try to come up with something more to add... but mostly I'm left with: Hee!

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[info]imathers
2007-03-21 10:30 pm UTC (link)
I would have loved to see Spinozist in this list. Fun stuff, in any case.

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[info]shawn_burns
2007-03-26 07:51 pm UTC (link)
"There is no changing of the lightbulb, just a change in God insofar as he is considered under his physical attribute, in the mode of being a lightbulb."

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(no subject) - [info]imathers, 2007-03-26 07:52 pm UTC

[info]dogofthefuture
2007-03-21 10:58 pm UTC (link)
Don't forget the Objectivists: "The lightbulb must change itself. If you change the lightbulb, you are only pandering to its weakness, and soon you will find yourself changing everybody's light bulbs, destroying society in the process."

Is there a "Skeptic" philosophy that I'm not aware of? I consider myself pretty skeptical, and my answer would be "The best evidence is that it takes one person to change a lightbulb. Unless it's a really big light bulb."

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[info]skzbrust
2007-03-21 11:12 pm UTC (link)
I refer to philosophical skepticism, as opposed to scientific skepticism. A Greek whose name I can't recall and am too lazy to look up (Pyrro, or Pyrrho, or something) is usually considered the first. In general, they get very excited about proving that we can't know anything. Existentialists are, in essence, skeptics.

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(no subject) - [info]schmwarf, 2007-03-22 04:21 am UTC
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[info]gandryyne
2007-03-21 11:50 pm UTC (link)
Love It!!!

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[info]rfh
2007-03-22 01:42 am UTC (link)
Government Contractor: You need a self-changing light bulb that is innerconnected with every other light bulb in the world. Give us 20 years and a billion dollars. Until then, sit in the dark.

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Gov't contractors have to make a living too
[info]pennst1992
2007-03-22 05:10 am UTC (link)
I think the subj line says it all...

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lightbulb
[info]pennst1992
2007-03-22 04:01 am UTC (link)
what does it mean if the light bulb writes you a letter asking to be changed?

as for the rest - i'm just gonna change the damn thing - philosophy be damned...after all, if the light bulb in my refrigerator is burned out, how the hell am i gonna find the leftover fried rice I ordered from Chen's earlier this evening...

Steven - I like Vlad's viewpoint on life in the early novels a lot better - growing older sucks...(btw: I wish Agyar had survived...)...

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Re: lightbulb
[info]dogofthefuture
2007-03-22 10:21 am UTC (link)
I don't know what SKZB will answer, but I'm curious - what do you consider Vlad's viewpoint on life in the earlier novels to be be, and what do you consider it to be in the later books?

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Re: lightbulb - [info]skzbrust, 2007-03-22 10:23 am UTC
Re: lightbulb - [info]dogofthefuture, 2007-03-22 10:51 am UTC
Re: lightbulb - [info]pennst1992, 2007-03-23 02:57 am UTC
Re: lightbulb - [info]rocza, 2007-03-26 01:56 am UTC
Re: lightbulb - [info]shawn_burns, 2007-03-26 07:57 pm UTC

[info]ilcylic
2007-04-13 03:50 pm UTC (link)
Hacker: *screw screw screw* *toss* *screw screw screw* "Done."

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I love...
[info]xalonex
2007-11-10 05:01 am UTC (link)
this post. Brilliant.

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Re: I love...
[info]skzbrust
2007-11-10 05:56 am UTC (link)
Hee. Thanks.

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