skzbrust ([info]skzbrust) wrote,
@ 2007-11-12 04:22:00
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Another fucking disaster, I think.
The hospital just slapped a lien on my house.  That means its encumbered for significantly more than it's worth.  I'm trying to figure out if this completely fucks up all my plans (which involved selling it and moving).

Then I realized that there are things I don't know about finance, law, and real estate (which a lot like me saying there are "things I don't know" about nuclear physics).  Maybe some of you do know, or maybe it all about peculiarities of the particular State laws.

Does the lien prevent the sale of the house?  Let us say I can sell the house for 200k, and I owe (in order of legal precedence), 50k on the mortgage, 150k to the IRS, and then another 100k to the hospital.  If I'm willing to get out of dodge clearing off the first two debts and declaring bankruptcy to get rid the last (I hadn't wanted to do that, but they're leaving me few other choices), would a prospective buyer, seeing those liens, run for the hills, or consider that it isn't his problem?

And, if I DO file for bankrucpty (in Nevada there is thing called "medical bankruptcy, I don't know if it exists everywhere, or how it works; I'll be finding out), does that make the hospital lien vanish?

If someone can tell me how this works, it will either get me out of this damned funk that's been interferring with my work for the last week, or at least tell me that I have reason for the funk and can now try to figure out my next step.

Or, alternately, if you happen to be a movie or TV producer, the price of rights for a Vlad novel or TV show is about three hundred thousand.  The line forms on the right.



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[info]brownkitty
2007-11-12 12:49 pm UTC (link)
You might want to find out if the hospital can put a lien on your house if you're still making an effort to repay, and associated details like "Do you have to pay what they're asking for a month to get the lien removed?"

I think you're going to need a lawyer :(

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[info]skzbrust
2007-11-12 12:56 pm UTC (link)
Okay, that's pretty clear. I can still sell it. Thanks.

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[info]just_a_treat
2007-11-12 12:51 pm UTC (link)
No, you won't be able to sell the house with all those liens at that price. What the buyer thinks is of no consequence, you won't be able to transfer title without paying off the liens. You can declare bankruptcy but depending on state laws (I don't know what state you live in or if it has Homestead laws) that may nor many not protect your house. If you declare bankruptcy you probably won't be able to sell the house anytime soon but filing sounds like your best option. You need a lawyer and specifically one that specializes in bankruptcy proceedings.

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[info]skzbrust
2007-11-12 12:56 pm UTC (link)
Okay, that's pretty clear. I can't sell it. Thanks.

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[info]wilhelmina_d
2007-11-12 01:05 pm UTC (link)
Go see a financial lawyer sooner than yesterday. It's very important that you get specific advice pertinent to your state and your situation.

Good luck!!!

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[info]torin3
2007-11-12 01:11 pm UTC (link)
Yes, this is the best advice. I should also have included this as well.

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[info]ellameena
2007-11-12 01:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. Looks like your question has been answered above, and I couldn't add anything of value. I just wanted to say this sounds like a terrible situation, and I'm so sorry.

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[info]papersky
2007-11-12 01:38 pm UTC (link)
Could the SFWA medical fund possibly help with the hospital thing? They were saying that fund was "fully funded" and had all the money any indigent SF writers might need.

Medical care so axiomatically ought to be free that I can't quite believe you really have to pay for it. I know intellectually that you do, but in my gut I'm freshly horrified and disbelieving every time I hear something like this.

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[info]skzbrust
2007-11-12 01:47 pm UTC (link)
Your horror is fully justified; the medical system in this country is barbaric. Alas, SWFA dropped me by accident after an accounting blooey some years ago, and I've never rejoined. Sending in my yearly dues and then asking for over a hundred thousand, small bills please, would not seem quite ethical even if it is legal.

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[info]andjay
2007-11-12 01:46 pm UTC (link)
sorry to hear about these troubles, steve.

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[info]jaegamer
2007-11-12 01:57 pm UTC (link)
Eek. I wish I had more to offer than sympathy (and a full library of your works - I know it's not much, but I'll buy anything you write and always have.)

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Fund Raising
[info]naturalfractual
2007-11-12 02:10 pm UTC (link)
So how do we go about selling a $100,000 worth of tee shirts and paraphanalia? Vlad-itude tee shirts. I'd buy one.

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[info]wilhelmina_d
2007-11-12 03:23 pm UTC (link)
I'd buy one!

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Re: Fund Raising - [info]nekokamiko, 2007-11-28 05:57 pm UTC
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Re: Fund Raising - [info]nekokamiko, 2007-11-28 08:47 pm UTC
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Re: Fund Raising - [info]skylarker, 2007-11-29 06:19 pm UTC
Re: Fund Raising - [info]skylarker, 2007-12-01 02:16 pm UTC
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IP lawyer needed? - [info]nekokamiko, 2007-11-12 05:05 pm UTC
Re: IP lawyer needed? - [info]shadowflyer, 2007-11-12 07:38 pm UTC
Re: Fund Raising - [info]98, 2007-12-01 11:46 pm UTC
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Re: Fund Raising - [info]naturalfractual, 2007-12-02 12:23 am UTC
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RPGs - [info]aszanoni, 2007-11-12 11:51 pm UTC
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Assassin's Creed video game - [info]nekokamiko, 2007-11-15 07:43 pm UTC
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Re: Fund Raising - [info]naturalfractual, 2007-11-27 09:40 pm UTC

[info]scs_11
2007-11-12 02:20 pm UTC (link)
I second the suggestion on talking to a lawyer. Here are a couple of very good reasons:

Laws differ from state to state, and any advice given here might not be valid for Nevada.

If you go bankrupt, the rights to your books *may be* an asset that the bankruptcy court may dispose of as they see fit. I dunno how much income you get from backlist, etc, but that may be important. More important might be such things as film rights - if you lose the current Vlad books, selling rights to film/etc will be completely out of your control and out of your income stream. Again, your mileage may vary depending on local law and the wording of your contracts on the Vlad books, and what states laws apply to those contracts. PNH might be able to help there. Or Dave Wixom.

The Vlad books are an income-producing asset. With a proven 20-year record, you might be able to borrow against them. Again, an IP lawyer would help.

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[info]reverancepavane
2007-11-12 03:18 pm UTC (link)

Try to avoid transferring a lien to an income-producing asset – especially your books – as it may tend to seriously encumber the ability of that asset to produce money.

I know of at least one attempt of a hospital in this situation attempting to attach an established characters as "assets" (cf George Alec Effinger) in an attempt to realize income from any future work. With the natural consequences thereon on the ability to publish both the backlist and future works. At least with the lein on the home alone, if you do lose out, then you just lose the home and not the ability to rebuild your life afterwards.

And seriously expedite talking to a lawyer specializing in bankruptcy/financial matters. They can tell you what you need to do, but the sooner they get to tell you, the more you will be able to save. They cannot help you if any agreements have already foolishly been entered into. Beware of any advice the lawyers for the hospital may give you to "assist you in paying your debt."

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[info]aelburr
2007-11-12 02:37 pm UTC (link)
I haven't read any of the other responses to your post so this might be partly redundant, but...

Do not be too afraid of bankruptcy. Our laws, even in their new weaker state, give more protection to the debtor than those who hold his paper. This is even more true for medical bills as the laws are written with the understanding that this is not a debt you incurred volunatarily. You didn't buy a new car, you got sick. Your home is one of the most protected things under federal bankruptcy laws. You won't be able to profit from it's sale without settling the debt one way or another, but that type of debt still falls under the heading of unsecured loans and you can walk away from it in the end with nothing worse than a bad credit rating for a few years.

The way they are changing laws regarding and perception of bankruptcy makes me suggest sooner rather than later if it seems like the right solution, but most of what you may hear on the topic are apocrophal horror stories. The reality is, if you are willing to throw away your credit cards, keep the car you have and stay where you are for about five years bankruptcy is no more than a minor pain in the ass and there are ways around all of the above.

One of the things I don't think they have dramaticly changed about the law is that your mortgage (as long as you have just one) is almost immune. So long as you are up to date on those payments, your house is safe and if you discharge your debts through bankruptcy you can then still sell it etc., and as long as it's all leagal and above board (you aren't lying about your assets or liquidating them to hide them) you won't have too much to fear from the courts in the process.

The whole point of our bankruptcy laws is that they put the responsibility on the part of the lender and medical bills are doubly secure. The hospital can't turn you away, but the debts incurred are also the most forgivable by law. I know this first hand and quickly admit my experience with bankruptcy falls under the old laws, but the biggest change they made was to make them more of a hassle without actually altering the substance underneath.

By all means, talk to a bankruptcy attourney and get the real deal about your personal situation. I'm just saying you shouldn't be too afraid of considering the option and some times it's the right thing to do.

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[info]skzbrust
2007-11-12 02:42 pm UTC (link)
This is the first encouraging thing I've heard. Thank you. I hope it's true. I'll be calling in a few hours, if lawyers are in on Veteran's Day.

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[info]gauroth
2007-11-12 02:51 pm UTC (link)
I haven't anything useful to say except that I find it deeply shocking that in America having to go to hospital means one could lose one's house. I hope very much that this can be sorted soon. *hugs*

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[info]wilhelmina_d
2007-11-12 03:22 pm UTC (link)
Yep. For those without insurance, even a cold can be terrifying. I was without insurance for about 6 months and it added so much stress to already being stressed out about having to temp to get the bills paid. Our system needs more than a little work.

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[info]pellegrina
2007-11-12 03:36 pm UTC (link)
This kind of thing, in a nutshell, is why I jumped through hoops to stay in the UK after finishing my BA, even if it was a fairly stupid career move and I knew it at the time and might have rather more to show for myself if I'd returned to the US. (On the other hand, as a hypochondriac, I might well be bankrupt myself.) I hope a bankruptcy lawyer can show you a way out of this.

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fucking medical bills
[info]ryumaou
2007-11-12 03:41 pm UTC (link)
Fuck me blue, that sucks!

As someone who's paying off a relatively small portion of the outrageous prices charged by the medical profession, you have my full sympathy. If I didn't have medical insurance, I think I would have let the cancer kill me. There would have just been no way at all that I could have paid for it all myself.

That being said, I do hope you get this all straightened out as quickly and easily as possible so you can go back to making a living full-time. Also, I live in Houston, and wouldn't mind a civilized, paying roommate. I charge reasonable rates, have high-speed Internet and could service your Linux machine quite easily. Also, I have a dog who loves company.

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[info]jenn1966
2007-11-12 03:52 pm UTC (link)
Good God, this is awful! I am completely useless to you in matters legal and financial, so all I can offer is my outrage and sympathies. All my caretaking pistons are firing, but none of my ideas produce any cash. Hell, I'd invite you to move in with me and my family so you could rent your Las Vegas home if I thought it would do any good.

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[info]jmtorres
2007-11-12 04:39 pm UTC (link)
I have nothing of substance to offer about the financial situation, so I'll just say--

Or, alternately, if you happen to be a movie or TV producer, the price of rights for a Vlad novel or TV show is about three hundred thousand. The line forms on the right.

Dang it! I wish I had studio backing.

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[info]angelo
2007-11-13 02:59 am UTC (link)
Shit I just wish I had 300K I'd find the line to the right.

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[info]greenquotebook
2007-11-12 04:48 pm UTC (link)
I don't know if you're insured or not - with a bill like that, I'm assuming you're not. When my mom had her stroke, the hospital bills came to over 50K. When my dad showed up to pay (he cashed in a CD) and they found out that she was uninsured, they utilized state funds and grants to reduce the bill to a little over 5K. Perhaps they have similar programs at this hospital and haven't dipped into them for you yet.

If you are insured, give me a call and let me know what's going on. Getting insurance companies to bleed nickels and dimes is a specialty of mine. 864-845-8816

:) Andrea

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[info]kiki39
2007-11-12 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like it's time to emigrate to Canada (Writer-in-residence? Health care?). Bring some friends. :D

*hug*

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[info]skzbrust
2007-11-12 08:33 pm UTC (link)
If my friends would go, I'd be there!

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(no subject) - [info]kiki39, 2007-11-12 08:37 pm UTC
Re: IP lawyer needed? - [info]willshetterly, 2007-11-13 12:09 am UTC

[info]nolly
2007-11-12 05:41 pm UTC (link)
The fundraising ideas above are great, but they'll take time to set up, and you'll likely only get a buck or three per Cafe Press/Spreadshirt/etc. item. How about a PayPal button or the like for direct donations?

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Fund Raising
[info]naturalfractual
2007-11-12 05:57 pm UTC (link)
Pay Pal - I have no idea how to use it - but it sure wouldn't hurt - cut out the middle man and contribute direct.

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Re: Fund Raising - [info]ebenbrooks, 2007-11-12 06:34 pm UTC
Re: Fund Raising - [info]naturalfractual, 2007-11-12 06:39 pm UTC
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Re: Fund Raising - [info]naturalfractual, 2007-11-12 06:56 pm UTC
Re: Fund Raising - [info]jophan, 2007-11-13 09:16 pm UTC
Re: Fund Raising - [info]naturalfractual, 2007-11-13 10:51 pm UTC
Re: Fund Raising - [info]ebenbrooks, 2007-11-12 07:02 pm UTC
Re: Fund Raising - [info]shadowflyer, 2007-11-12 07:55 pm UTC
Fund Raising
[info]naturalfractual
2007-11-12 05:56 pm UTC (link)
And quotes - anyone have any favorites, in particular?

Some of my favorites tee shirts are quotes!

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[info]nekokamiko
2007-11-12 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Obvious suggestions:

- House "epigrams" from the beginning of each chapter in Jhereg (this includes the famous "No matter how subtle the wizard..." quote)
- House lines from the infamous Cycle poem

I personally think these would look nice overlaid on silhouettes of the House totem animal, preferably in the House colors (when available), but that's just my opinion.

- "Shut up, Loiosh"

I'm also currently re-reading the Khaavren romances and marking good potential quotes.

Oh, and bumper stickers, e.g.
Vlad &Loiosh in '08
Sethra & Kiera in '08

One idea I was working on was a picture of the Chain Bridge (which I have it on excellent authority is based on the Chain Bridge in Budapest) with the quote: "I left my heart* in Adrilankha (*and my wallet, and very nearly my life)". It would be nice to sort of re-do the image to have more Dragaeran looking architecture. This would be good on all kinds of swag: t-shirts, mugs, magnets, postcards....

Reprints of the Valabar's menu from Dzur, nicely typeset, would be great for dinner invitation cards, magnets, etc. CafePress also offers an apron. :)

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Re: Fund Raising - [info]naturalfractual, 2007-11-12 07:02 pm UTC
Re: Fund Raising - [info]kiera_the_thief, 2007-11-12 08:03 pm UTC
Re: Fund Raising - [info]nekokamiko, 2007-11-12 09:00 pm UTC
Re: Fund Raising - [info]aszanoni, 2007-11-13 12:27 am UTC
Re: Fund Raising - [info]spsethra5, 2007-11-13 05:56 am UTC

[info]dd_b
2007-11-12 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Well, that blows.

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Offer to set up Amazon bookstore
[info]nekokamiko
2007-11-12 06:39 pm UTC (link)
Amazon has an affiliate program that allows one to essentially advertise their products and get a cut from sales. (One interesting aspect is that this includes sales of items sold by third parties at Amazon, e.g. used books.) Steve, I'd be happy to set up an Amazon store for you so that when we, your loyal and rabid fans, buy copies of your works or induce others to do the same, you get a cut. You can then put a link to the page on your regular DreamCafe site. I've seen other authors do this, and it doesn't raise the cost of the books to consumers or otherwise detract from the quality of the product, so why not? Especially since this way you'd even get a cut when used books change hands through Amazon.

Let me know....

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Re: Offer to set up Amazon bookstore
[info]naturalfractual
2007-11-12 06:41 pm UTC (link)
YES! That way I can track down anything I don't already have and help the cause.

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[info]bbe
2007-11-12 06:41 pm UTC (link)
IAAL, and I'd say get thee to a lawyer in your city as soon as possible. As someone else said, your book rights can probably be considered assets, make sure in your consultation with the lawyer you contact that she's able to deal intelligently with those rights and work to try to protect them. Also, as far as I know bankruptcy is bankruptcy, there is no separate route for 'medical bankruptcy'. "I'm not licensed in Nevada, this isn't legal advice, I don't practice in bankruptcy, etc., etc."

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[info]gutter_tart
2007-11-12 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Invest in lube.

With the amount you're going need, it would bring a great return!

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ummm what?
[info]mplspunky
2007-11-12 08:18 pm UTC (link)
I guess I'm a little confused. Are you implying that he will need the lube because he will need to be more lubricated for some impending penetration? If so, please clarify how would this help my dad with is money woes.

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[info]kijjohnson
2007-11-12 07:44 pm UTC (link)
So sorry. This is a wretched situation.

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